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Dear Sir:
It was a sincere pleasure meeting you finally! Thank you very much for
your generous time and consideration and for the opportunity to make things
right for you. Wishing you and your family all the best and many blessings
always! Thank you very much for your kindness in contacting Horse-Talk
and hopeful they will publish this happy ending! Respectfully yours,
Martha :)
I would like to take back the comments I made about the business practices
of Liberty Hall Livestock & Equine Rescue. I was contacted by Martha
last Friday 9-18-09 and she assured me that they had nothing to do with
the sale of the trailer. She explained to me what had happened on her
end of the deal and excepted full responsibility for what had happen.
With that being said, Martha met with me today 9-22-09 so I could return
the trailer. She went as far as refunding me the purchase price of the
trailer, the money I spent on tires, and compensated me for my troubles
( which was not needed nor asked for). I felt that she was very genuine
with her apology and explanation of what went wrong on her side of things.
Again, I would like to clear the reputation of Liberty Hall Livestock
& Equine Rescue of any wrong doings and/or bad business practices.
Also, thank you Martha, for going through the great lengths you did to
find my contact information after learning of the situation. 9/23/09
Horse phone scam beware? I want to share this with other horse owners
and livestock owners. Never know what people will think up next. I get
many scam emails off Craig's List and not sure if this came from Craig’s
List or just our website but wanted to pass on to others my perception
on it. Lady Called me today Sept 10, 2009 around 11am from a 630 area
code number said she was calling from Tivoli Farms in Pentagon City in
Washington, DC. Really she must live in middle of a mall was my first
thought or above the Metro. She told me they do horse acrobatics and put
on a carnival type exhibition show and are looking for young untrained
horses to star in the opening on their new show. First off bells and whistles
DING DING DING went off. She sounded upbeat and way too happy ( I have
been in sales for over 16 years nice try it was so fake) and she sounded
like a bad used car sales person trying to talk me out of a few horses.
I informed her that horses do not leave my property without meeting the
possible new owner in person, doing a barn check and them trying a horse
out. She insisted she could send her barn manager to my barn to see our
horses that they were perfect. She actually tried to argue in her upbeat
manner that she as a horse owner understood my concerns… blah blah
blah I told her to email me all their info and a proposal and I hung up.
But what if someone else falls for this? Would anyone? I would hope not
so I am putting this out there for all to read and hopefully her. #1 I
have no young horses listed on my website. #2 her incentive for me to
give up a few young horses for their show opening was that they would
give me and all my friends free tickets when the show opened. I thought,
“Really wow can’t wait for you to come and take my horses.”
I knew once on the trailer I would never would see them again or know
what happened to them. Tivoli Farms as she called themselves would pay
the cost of shipping and handling to borrow them from us for their show
and of course they would get the best possible feed and hay available.
Anyways just sounded like such a scam phone call and was wondering if
anyone else had gotten a call like this? Michele email: mekill7155@yahoo.com
9/21/09
FOR YOU HAY VENDERS Just
for your information if you want to warn your readers we had a situation
where someone contacted us for hay and sent a check and we were suppose
to pay the trucker. I was concerned the check was fraudulent and then
if we paid the trucker we would be out the money. My husband called the
bank that was out of Chicago and it was a fraudulent check. We turned
it over to the Sheriff's dept. The mailing of the check came from New
York. There are a lot of scams out there. We advertised on your site and
one other. 8/12/09
Hi. I am warning people of this scam that I have recently come across. This person 'Anaya' claims to have a 10 year old 17HH Friesian gelding up for adoption for $1000.00 in Texas. This person does not give an address to actually go see or try out the horse or even email more pictures as promised in emails. This person has also stated that they have relocated from Texas to Maine and want to ship the horse. I suspect they will ask for the money up front. This person is advertising through 'Horsegalore.com. BEWARE!!! enovar@salud.unm.edu 5/8/09
Recently we posted several ads trying to sell a horse online. One of
the sites got a hit right away, it sounded a little strange that the person
didn't ask much info about the horse, but the inquiry came through the
site and was from someone in Iowa. The person called him/herself Anne
Tyson and said she'd send us a check via DHL overnight delivery and that
she'd include the fees for shipping and would send us the shippers info
so we could contact them directly to work out the details. We sent an
email back saying that a bank check or cash on pick up would be preferred
because our bank told us that it could take several days for the check
to clear. We didn't hear anything for a few days, suddenly we got an email
(from the same person) that asked for the bottom line price and payment
info. Now we really got suspicious because we had already covered that
in previous emails, so we didn't answer it, waiting to see what would
happen and the next day we got an email that had the subject "Payment
issued" that said the check was on the way and gave us a DHL tracking
number. We immediately did two things, checked the DHL tracking number
and did a search on "horse scams".
The tracking number took 24 hours to show up in the DHL system which is
sometimes normal, but it made us even more alert. The searches we found
all talked about overseas frauds, they were all basically the same, but
the person we had been talking to was from the US - the DHL address was
indeed from Iowa. However, something else made us alert, the check was
for $2,500 more than it should have been and we emailed this Anne Tyson
and were told that we would be getting more info to "wire" the
difference to the shipper. Another thing that was odd was the check itself
was a company check drawn on a Wachovia Bank, but the company was in NJ,
not Iowa. We called Wachovia and they just told us the account did belong
to the company listed, but it was a scam, then they asked me to email
them a copy of the check and they would let the account holder know of
the compromise to their account - and of course they said to get rid of
the check. We don't hold out much hope that anything will be done to locate
this person to prosecute, but at least we can make it known that there
is yet another scammer out there trying to get people to send them money
for nothing. If you are selling something and someone sends you money
over what you are asking without even coming to look at your item and
then wants you to send them the balance by wire transfer or from your
own funds, please DON'T do it unless you know the person personally or
do everything possible to verify the legitimacy of the transaction. This
all happened between 8/12/08 and 8/19/08 The more people who know about
these scams the less likely they will be able to get away with it!! 8/29/08
Lillian Cole I live in Minnesota and had my truck on craigslist. The above mentioned party contacted me and said they would send me a check for the truck I had. I was a little leary about them since they would pay the full price without even looking at it. Since the area code for their number was 212 I was really nervous. She said she sent out a check overnight through FedEx and would set up a delivery person to pick up the truck. The person wanted to pick it up within a couple days. Well, I put off the delivery and of course no check showed up. I contacted FedEx and they said that the label had indeed been printed but, no parcel was dropped off. I contacted Lillian back and told her point blank they vehicle would not leave my yard until the check had arrived and cleared. I have not heard back from them. So yes, they are still at it. Jerome
Just thought I would pass along a warning about a slick scam message
that came in yesterday:
Hello,
Do you still have Hay? My Husband and I are interested in buying Hay.
What kind of Hay do you have available and what are your prices?Could
you please give us a call @ 212 928 1273 or reply back to this e-mail.
Thank you, Lilian & Cole
The message originated in Nigeria and the phone number is registered to
Patrick Inyang in New York according to the reverse look-up: http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=212+928+1273
If you have followed the scams you will recognize Patrick Inyang. In fact
Google for that name and see everything that comes up.
I now have a web page on Inyang http://www.hay-scams.com/Inyang.htm
4/14/08
If you are looking for a horse trainer do not reply to the ad placed by a BJ in Sandusky, Ohio. I was ripped of by her in October of 2007. She will ask fo half the $ up front and the other half when finished then will give you a sob story about her mother and cancer and how she needs the rest of the $ for medicine. If you fall for this sob story and give her the $ that will be last you see of her. If contacted she will use any excuse from being in the hospital, waiting for a loan to come in, wait for a school loan, any excuse she uses you will not get your $ back. Ad posted by RickandDiDi" <rhicks3@neo.rr.com> of Ohio. 3/31/08
We recently hired Valley Veiw Equine Transport to haul two of our horses
from Florida to Colorado. We gave
her 50% up front and planned to pay the othere 50% upon delivery. The
pick-up date came and went many
times. I would call and call and call and she would only call back after
we had people at the farms with
the horses waiting hours for the pickup. I would have to call her to find
out what happened. There was a
severe lack of communication from this company. We then decided to switch
to Nationwid shipping since we
were beginning to feel like we could not trust the other company. Over
a week ago she agreed to return
out deposit. She has not returned our deposit yet and I have been calling
for the last four days and she
will not return my call. It is hard for me to understand how companies
practice so unprofessionally.
She has left me no option but to take her to court to get our money back.
Posted by Allison Thenhaus Pinnacle
Sporthorses 303.296.6119 abond_17837@yahoo.com
3/18/08
Hi, I was wondering if you could post this to your web site. This scam
is still very active, so please beware! This is the 2nd request (from
different email addresses) I have received in the last week. The stories
are the same. Along with the email address below, the first email address
was jennifer101@yahoo.com. Beware of this scam!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Williams <anthony_williams102@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 2:49 pm
Subject: REASON FOR BUYING AND MODE OF PAYMENT
Thanks for the quick response.I love the horse, suits my desire.Please
I would not want to delay this transation because I want to have the horse
as soon as possible.Actually I 'm presenting the horse to my Dad,a lover
of horse, as a suprised birth day gift as I had promised him some years
ago.I 'm paying a check which is going to cover the cost of the horse
and the amount to be sent to my travelling agent.Presently am in Espanyol,Spain
and in the next few days being travelling to US to attend my Dad birth
day,which comes up 28th December,2007.The matter to presesent this horse
came as promise when I entered University.....Then my Dad had not being
in good term with my mum over their diferences and were broke up.So this
most memoribly time of my life my Dad agreed to settle these differences
with my mum and loved again,that was when I gained admission into the
university.
Concerning the payment and the shippment. a check of $4800 will be sent
to you and you will deduct the amount for the horse and send the remaining
balance to my travelling agent.My travelling agent and shipper will arrange
for the shippment of the horse.To forward the check to you,your number,
home adress and your name, on which check will be adressed, should be
please email to me as soon as possible.Thanks for understanding Anthony
wrote:
Please advise where you are located, as well as how you would complete
the transaction. 12/24/07
I have filed a complaint with the NC Better Business Bureau due to Affordable
Tacks unconcern for my patronage. The company says on their Web-site that
they are 'Member, Better Business Bureau, Southern Piedmont/Charlotte'
but the NC BBB says "This organization is not a BBB Accredited business."
I placed an order 07/31/2007 which went unfilled. I tried to get attention
from them several times. I did get an e-note from the owner, Sandra Parsons,
30 days after order placed and 14 days late in delivery, which said my
order would be resolved in a week. I waited nearly 2 weeks before calling
again. The company's phone lines went unanswered, so I called the order
line and persuaded a lady to take a message for me ( she said it was not
her job but relented after I told her of the phone machine problem). Sandra
Parsons called me 12 days later, on 09/11/2007, telling me of her problems,
(previously posted on this site), but promised to have her 'other store'
manager get on my order. I took her at her word and even apologized for
bothering her in her 'time of distress' (husband in Hospital). Now after
all this time, I do not believe anything she has told me.
The BBB of NC has her company listed as having 1 employee, 1 business
location, and having complaints lodged against it.
Please do not do business with Affordable Tack in Mount Gilead, NC unless
you have $ to burn. The order lines are still open but the woman I talked
to 2 weeks ago said they are not taking orders for Affordable Tack.
If there are others having problems with this company, please state it
here so unsuspecting newcomers will not get burned. Also take the time
to list your complaints with the NC BBB www.charlotte.bbb.org.
Businesses like this give the horsing community a bad name. 11/7/07
For an update on this "merchant", she is still up to
the same shady practices. In my case, I ordered a saddle on March 2, 2008,
and have had exactly the same results. As of May 2nd, no delivery and
only two responses from her to several e-mails from me trying to get a
status. She is still using the excuse of family medical problems to justify
ripping off customers. I have filed a complaint with the Better Business
Bureau as suggested above, and have noted the miserable record that Affordable
Tack has earned. I have also notified PayPal about this merchant as she
is using them as an accomplice to her criminal activities. Also, the Better
Business Bureau had a fax number listed for this business, but not suprisingly,
it has been disconnected by the phone company. I wish I had found your
site, and also checked with the Better Business Bureau, before I made
the mistake of trying to do business with a scam artist. "John Foottit"
5/6/08
This is a familiar scam, but just so people selling online are aware
that it’s still around: Someone sent e-mails answering a hay-for-sale
ad and said he would send a certified check and arrange for hauling the
hay. It sounded legitimate, but he sent overpayment in travelers checks
(which of course were counterfeit) and instructions to wire money to the
hauler. This scam is run on all kinds of products and services—different
story, same ending. NEVER send or give money to a third party in any deal.
Never refund money immediately after you’ve cashed a check. You’ll
find the check or other form of payment is phony and you’re out a
large sum of money. Nancy 6/28/07
I just wanted to warn people who have trailers and trucks for sale that there is e-mails going out that are scams. They claim to want to buy from you and then want to send you a money order or cashiers check for over the amount and have you send them the rest. They also say that they will send a delivery person to pick up the trailer or vehicle. We have been through this before and it is horrible. Please warn people of this scam. We have already received 2 e-mails on the trailer we have for sale from them. 9/16/06
THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS WARNING!!!! Be very careful when buying or selling a horse from Johnny Garcia. He buys and sells in eastern New Mexico (clovis area), southwestern Oklahoma (altus, ok) and in Texas around Amarillo, Canyon, Hereford. Many of these horses are not or have not been paid in full by him even though too many people have already given him the papers. He has left OK owing a lot of people money with no effort towards making restitution. He talks many people into "business opportunities" of putting in money to buy a horse with him. He states he will train and sell the horse in a quick turnaround time and then will split the profits with you. He then disappears or just avoids any attempts on your part to try to get your money back. He has taken thousands of dollars from people. Also many of these horses are carried across state lines without the proper tests. He is not honest about how much training the horses have had, some only ridden once or twice. Very persuasive and aggressive seller. BE VERY CAREFUL OF BUYING OR SELLING FROM JOHNNY (JOHN) D. GARCIA. He was in altus, ok and is now in Fort Sumner, NM and Clovis, NM. ruffner2004@aim.com8/28/06
Warning, I was frauded out of $2000 for a horse trailer that was never delivered by Holly Kerns / Holly Fagerlund. She is currently listing a "Nice QH mare for sale" under the email address hollyf2009@hotmail.com on the Horse Talk site. She has also used the addresses crazydaisynm@yahoo.com and hollykerns2000@yahoo.com. Searches online revealed she has scammed other people, too. When she scammed me she used a P.O. Box in Corrales, NM. She repeatedly claimed certified checks and money orders were lost in the mail, and stopped responding to my messages. Buyer beware!!! maupin@pastrytech.com8/21/06
Hi
I have just found your sight & am ammazed at how many people have
been hit by theses people.
I too have had two incidents just recently. One from Mensah Barry &
a Jennifer White. The first wouldn't give any details & just continued
to tell me that he would send a Bank cheque to my address & I was
to let him know when the cheque was clear. He was from Africa & the
amount was $7000- over the required amount. Fortunately I have a son in
a High Security job & questioned him before proceeding. He put me
straight onto the federal police.
the Second one came in 2 weeks later & I was already cautious because
of the time frame of the email. this one was to go through Western Union.
I am amazed at their gall. The refuse to give any details I wonder how
many gullible people out there fall for these people.
I thank you for the opportunity to read these stories & I hope that
we can get more people aware of theses scammers
Regards
barb 11/22/05
I was told by an FBI agent that under no circumstances should no one
take a cashiers check. Just thought I would let everyone know. Jeanne
7/31/05
I was scammed with a buyer wanting my horses in africa for a religious leader. He was way better than what you guys have said so far. he responded back and forth a few times i will forward those to you next. He wanted to know all about the horses and if i knew who could start the shipping process. Here are all the emails. Thanks sarah 7/6/05
an e mail from a kristalfender007@yahoo.com stating that she will buy the horse and transport him out of the us. she would send me a check for the price and to cover the shiping expense which she would arange. she wanted me to send my address and phone # to complete the transaction. Is this for real ? Has any one else dealt with this person? Konzales@aol.com 5/14/05
I have a few things I would like to post.
First a "SCAM" I get in my in box everyday. Several people have
emailed me about the horse Icurrently have for sale, Most of them are
in strangeor exotic locations such as Sweden, London, andAfrica. Here
is the emailSubject: Black Bay Azteca StallionTo: HeartI3eatsfaded@yahoo.comHello,How
are you today?I would like to know if theabove mentioned in the subject
column is stillavailable for sale?Am from Sweden.I have three lovelychildren
that are all in Boarding school.Whenever theyleft for school.the house
is always somehow boring formy wife and I.We both think if we should buy
theabove,the house will be animated again in the absenceof our children.This
makes us to implore you to sellit for us at the last price of $1900.We
would beexpecting your email that our offer is granted and totell us that
we should pay you immediately.Thanks.Regards.Garry.
When I asked him how he would be paying for the horse,this was his response:
Hello,Thanks for your response.I thought I was going to pay you immediately
but when I contacted my bank toterminate the fixed deposit appointment
am having withthem,I was told no way until the months we agreed onis completed
and this will take about more 4 months.However,kindly reserve it for me
because,Ihave an associate in U.S.A who will surely help me topay you
as soon as you e-mail me the neccessaryinformation1,YOUR FULL NAME.2,POSTAL
ADDRESS.3,TELEPHONE NUMBER.I have contacted him via email and hasaccepted
to mail a cashier check to you but insistedthat he won't be around to
help me with the shippingwhen the shippers will be coming for pick up.In
thiscase,you are the one who will kindly help me to paythe shippers because
I have told him to issue $ onyour name while,you will help me to transfer
theremaining on it to the shippers via western unionmoney transfer to
enable them come for shipping atyour location.Please,kindly let me know
if you will help meto transfer the money as soon as you receive thecheck?I
would be waiting to read from you as soon asthis message is seen to signify
that you are to be counted upon.Thanks.
Regards.
N:B~ You might be wondering why didn't I tell him to issue a check to
the shippers but European shippers here doesn't accept cashier check as
their method of payment due to it's long clearance(6 months precisely)
unlike U.S.A where you can cash it the same day.
This is not the first I have recieved, but they all say basically the
same thing. I just want to warn people who might see this as ligitimant
and go ahead with it. Please Don't. 4/13/05
I have a sale ad for a 10 month old foal on horse-talk. In the last few days I have been receiving emails from suspiciousbuyers claiming to want to buy the horse, but wanting personal information such as bank account number to send a wire transfer. I'm sure this is some kind of scam because these people claim to want to buy the horse sight unseen! Also, people should be aware never to give out their personal info such as bank account numbers to anyone over the internet. I thought I should pass this info along to you so that maybe you could post a warning on the classified sectionthat there is a potentially harmful scam going on. If even one person falls for it, it is one too many. I would be interested in knowing if anyone else having an ad on horse-talk has had an incounter of this nature. I have received 3 emails from different yahoo accounts in the last 3 days. The names listed on the email address don't match the name of the personasking for the information.Sincerely,Debbie 4/13/05
The scam artist “John Allex” at allexstore@hotmail.com tried the ole “please deduct shipping and send via Western Union” on us this morning, too. 04/13/2005
I have a person hounding me named John Folls that has the bad grammar useage in his e-mails. He is trying to purchase one of my horses, stating that someone owes him money and he will send the check for the horse plus shipping, etc. So, if you receive any emails from a man by the name of John Folls, do not answer them. 3/1/05
This is regarding the ongoing scam where a seller is contacted and told that they will receive a cashier's check that is made out for more than the amount of the horse, trailer, truck, dog, etc., and that the seller should send the excess amount to them or their shipper or anyone else. It is a scam which is extremely wide spread and has been around for a long time, not just on this web site, but on others as well. When I advertised a client's horse, I received over 5 e-mail's from different name addresses at different IPs. None were signed. All used very bad grammar and the spelling was terrible. They demanded that I send all sorts of contact information to them and that they would send a cashier's check for twice the amount my client was asking for their horse. I was told that I should deposit the check and then send the overage to their shipper who would then pick up the horse. When you receive a response to an ad such as this, here are a few things you should or should not do: First of all, do not sign any e-mail you send back to them, with your name. Do not give out any of your contact information without knowing exactly who the buyer is, where they live (address) and their phone number first.Ask where the horse is going and what the horse will be used for. Most of these scam artists don't know the first thing about what they are "buying" and that will stop them cold. If you receive a check of "any kind", wait until it clears before you do anything else. Most horse shippers collect their fee from the buyer upon delivery of the horse. They do not get paid before hand. Relate this in any e-mail you send back to someone wishing you to pay a "shipper" first.Report any scams to the FBI. Also, use your head and don't be gullible. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Watch for red flags and ask lots of questions. Legitimate buyers will be happy to give you any information you want and will call you or come in person to look at what they wish to purchase. 1/10/05
Wanted to let you know about a "new" way to contact for purchase thathappened to me and was a scam. The day after Christmas, I had a phone call from a person using a "teleprompter" asking about a horse trailer I have for sale. A teleprompter is someone using a computer to type their message --i.e. a deaf person -- which is verbally translated by an independent operator. He asked about the trailer, condition, price. I responded. He then stated he would be paying with a cashier's check and his shipper would be picking it up. I responded, no, I will accept cash only due to all the scams going on. He then hung up. This was obviously another scam.We have also been contacted about a dozen other times via emails about this trailer and some horses we've had listed. All wanted to pay via cashier's check for a lot more than the amount asked, with me to cash the check and send them the balance. Needless to say, I didn't accept any of their "offers" and told them to take their scams elsewhere. Joy at wildwind2@plateautel.net 1/8/05
Just found out that this Dennis Law (dbestcar1119@outgun.com) person issued me a counterfeit check. Please let folks know that he is a fraud and to becareful. The authorities have been notified. 11/30/04
I just received a message which sounds like several other scams sent
in response to Horse Talk classified ads I have copied and pasted the
content of the message below so that other Horse-Talk advertisers can
be wary of such offers:We are interested in buying your above mentioned
Saddle at advertised rate. Saddle will be picked up from your location
for onward shipping to London. Cost and modalities of shipping to be born
by us. Payment for the purchase is by check through a debtor in US. The
debtor owes us higher than our purchase. He will therefore be sending
you a check for $5,000 to cover the cost of our order, as well as the
Shipping costs. On receipt of the check, you will cash and deduct the
cost of our order .The balance you will send as we would instruct you
to the Agency that will ship the Saddle to us. If this arrangement suites
you fine, please send us your address where to send the check, as well
as the name to be on it. Also send us your phone number for easy communication.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you.
Best Regards
MR. MARK EDWARDS. 11/30/04
HI,
I have had a person named Mark Robinson contacting me about an ad
on horse-talk. He wants to purchase with a cashiers cheque for $2500
over the purchase amount, and then have me re-imberse the overage. I
have filed a complaint with the FBI internet service. 11/29/04
Hello, just wanted to let you know that I too was contacted by 2 different
individuals wanting to purchase my horse. One offered to pay by cashiers
check even though I specifically stated it would be a cash only deal and
he wouldn't tell me his location, the other was from Western Europe--right,
like someone would want to buy an old horse to train. I tell you, these
people will get you if you don't get defensive! Be careful and beware!!
8/28/04
Greetings,
Recently I placed several horse advertisements on the internet. I have
only been contacted by " scam artists" offering cashiers checks
for more than the mares purchase price with the refund to be paid to the
shipper and the remainder to be sent through the Western Union .
I still dont have enough information to report this to the FTC and others.Such
as names numbers and other contact information. I did send a detailed
sales contract and it was said that the shipper would fill it out. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
But be aware that this is happening everywhere.
Reporting these individuals is the only way to make a difference!
Thankyou for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
A disgruntled horse owner 7/13/04
I also wanted to tell you to warn your users about a fraud that is occuring. People are offering to buy vehicles or horses and are sending counterfeit cashiers checks. We just lost $7200 to such a scam and I wanted to warn you that this occuring. The man who scamed us contacted me through your web site so I thought you ought to alert your users. I would suggest being leary of anyone saying they want to pay with a cashiers check or if they are not located in the United States. If they do accept a cashier's check they should wait at least 2 weeks for it to clear. Ours bounced after 3 weeks, so it is important to wait. If someone says they want to send a check for the amount greater than the sale of the item and then for the seller to send the change back, it is most likely a fraud. p.s. They are also running the scam on dog owners.
I, too, received an e-mail offer this morning (Monday, April 5) to buy my horse with a cashier's check, made out for 3500.00 more than the purchase price which I was to send the balance back to them. They're still at it!
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